Residence du Golf, Carantec

24 Septembre 2009

I only recently became aware of the problems of non payment of rent by the new lessee "Olea" for the second quarter of 2009 and am keen to try to take the correct steps to ensure payment is made asap while preventing this happening for future payments.

Whatever those steps are e.g. submitting official demands of payment, dialogue with olea, legal actions etc, it would be better doing this as a unit of owners of the residence.

I am new to this forum, and need to do some catching up on relevant infomation and would be very interested in consolidating opinion, news and developments with regard to the Residence du Golf in Carantec.

Soumis par bertrand le

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Dear Paul,

The best
way to be paid by Olea in Carantec is sending a commandement de payer, what we organized
and got the payment.

Contact us
for any question,

bertrand@clvproperties.com

Regards

Soumis par pault le

Received a letter this morning from the head of the "Association des Proprietaires de la Residence du Golf de Carantec" suggesting a coordinated legal action.


This will require at least 30 owners in the association - this probably is the best way forward and requires us to commission legal representation now which he is trying to get going as soon as possible.

Soumis par Ross le

I am also interested to know the best way forward in relation to the Residence Du Golf Carantec

Soumis par Waggtail le

Ross/Paul


Whilst doing something seems a better option than doing nothing I am not clear exactly what Idrac are proposing to do.


The letter seemed a bit wooly to me.


Olea seem to be out of their depth with DHEILLY at the helm.If Idrac are proposing to oust them and install a competent management company I would be much happier but unless I missed the point the letter didn't say that.


If you want to discuss specifics send it via private messenger as you never know who reads this.



Andi


Waggtail40086.8354282407

Soumis par cairo le

I suppose you have all received your e-mail from Dheilly. Doesn't say much. I have replied asking if the 6 months rent will be paid of merely the 3 months due to 15/07 - No reply. Does anyone have any thoughts on the subject ?


By the way Waggtail I tried to PM you but your inbox is full so no more messages are getting through.


Cairo

Soumis par Waggtail le

Cairo


I received the same email yesterday which triumphantly proclaimed I would get paid by 31 Oct 2009.(Gee thanks Olea for doing what you are legally obliged to.)


I read it as both missed payments would be honoured.The problem is that I simply don't feel I can trust the company.They have treated the owners with contempt.It's interesting that DHEILLY wishes to begin dialogue now after he and his shower have ignored me for the last 17 attempts.


I really had to fight the urge to reply to Olea with some serious frank feedback.


Incidentally I've had a clear out of the PMs so am able to receive again- sorry


Waggtail

Soumis par Hilary le

I have not seen the letter to which Paul and Ross refer and describe as a 'bit woolly'. I have to assume that it is the Lettre de Mission from Idrac & Associes. I have no hesitation in recommending the services of Maitre Idrac as he has been invaluable in our efforts to obtain payment of outstanding rentals re Beziers (Domaine du Lac) and to set up new management at our Burgundy property (Les Allees du Green, Levernois). Individual actions do not seem to bear fruit and it is essential, according to Maitre Idrac, that owners act together as a group. If one of your group is French speaking, he will deal with owners queries through that representative as it makes life much simpler for all concerned. He speaks good English and understands something if expressed in English when you can't think of the right French word. He will explain to you what your options are under French law which is quite different from English law, I can assure you! If you feel that the Lettre de Mission did not make something clear, take up the issue with Maitre Idrac and ask him to clarify. Individual owners at the Domaine du Lac had engaged their own legal representation and had been battling away for months and months without success. Maitre Idrac stepped in on behalf of a large number of the owners and the result was an instant reaction from Olea.

Soumis par Venus le

I am new to this forum. My husband and I have a 3 bed place in Residence du Golf and like many on this forum we have not received payment from Olea.

I have read that some people received something in September. Please could anyone advise on how they managed this? Also I read someone suggest all the owners of Residence du Golf getting together and taking legal action. I am very willing to do this also.

I hope someone can help me out here.

thanks in advance.
Venus

Soumis par cairo le

hi venus


Yes we did receive payment last week. This was in respect of rent due at July. We only got this when a CDP was issued. Unfortunetly there is no point in issuiing any more CDP's as Olea are no longer paying even when the bailiff calls.


We were waiting to see the letter from Olea due Wednesday before taking further action, unfortunately once again they have shown contempt for the owners and have not bothered sending one.


I think as owners we will need to unite and decide on the way forward. I would be surprised if any letter actually arrives from Olea and even if one does I cant imagiine it being good news.




Soumis par Venus le

Thanks for your reply.

I am willing and able to join with anyone else that wants to try and get a solution for all this. I have emailed Actiim the Syndicate of Co-proprietors and will also be in contact with the company that brokered the deal in the first place. I have also requested my bank manager to speak with Actiim also.

I am not wiling to lose the property and something has to be done. So if you would like to join me and have any other strategies to take please let me know. I shall keep the forum update with any success or otherwise that I get. I ask that everyone does the same. We have to get this sorted out.

Also I wanted to know if our properties were still being rented out? If so that is illegal as they have a breach of contract.

Venus

Soumis par cairo le

Hi Venus


Yes of course we are willing to join with you. There are some other property owners also trying to unite. If you want to PM me I can give you my e-mail address.


Regarding the renting I can tell you they have been rented out. We inquired about a week in November and all booked up!!


Soumis par bertrand le

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I called Olea every day and even today they told
me that they do not know when they will inform the clients. I recommend now to
join M° Idrac to start sueing Olea to try to get paid for some amount. In fact
it seems that Mr Deilly is looking for new financial partners in order to pay
what is due. I am frankly very negative here and do think that they may enter
into receivership before Xmas.

Kind regards

Bertrand


Soumis par Venus le

Hi All,

I just wanted to post information regarding what we are planning to do with the situation. I contacted our accounts, GEFI and they replied with the following information:

There are several possibilities:

Some which have no consequences on the VAT claimed in reimbursement at the beginning as:

•
Continue the activity of furnished renting with another Management
Company (the law specifies that the observation time given by the law
court can go on from 6 to 18 months if the Company makes bankrupt).
•
Create a Group of owners in order to defend yourselves with the
partnership of a lawyer specialized for this kind of matter (we can
give you the details of a lawyer).
• Take contact with some other Management Companies which are able to propose you a new lease back submitted to VAT.

Some which involve a repayment of VAT refunded at the beginning as:

•
Continue the activity of furnished renting by your own or with a real
estate but without 3 of the 4 Services which permit to be submitted to
VAT. In that case, the rents won’t be submitted to VAT anymore, but
you’ll continue to deposit declarations in matter of BIC only.
•
Stop the activity: some formalities of cessation and the last
declarations in matter of BIC and VAT must be done within 60 days which
follow the date of cessation.

For those last 2 cases, your rents
won’t be submitted to VAT anymore, and so, you’ll be indebted to the
TRESOR PUBLIC, for an amount of VAT by twentieth, which is about 16
004.36 € (22 863.37 x 14/20 for the property).


We are going to go with the lwyers recommended by our accountants that have served us for the last 4 years, we feel more comfortable with that and we will also ask our accountants about the different possibilities of new Management Agencies so we can get some idea regarding the types of occupancy rates we can achieve with our property and if it will cover the rent.

I received some private emails regarding some owners interested in joining us with this process. More are welcome, we definitely have power in numbers. AS soon as I get more information regarding the recommended lawyer from our accountants I will contact those that have been in contact with me directly to pass on information or get more information to pass on to the lawyer.

Venus